Public sentiment is highly critical of Trump's approach to negotiations with Ukraine, reflecting skepticism about his motivations and effectiveness. There is significant frustration over perceived U.S. neglect of Ukraine's needs, concerns about territorial concessions, and a belief that Ukraine should maintain its sovereignty without outside pressure. Many commenters express anger towards leaders seen as aligning with Russia and demand clearer strategies from the U.S. to genuinely support Ukraine's interests.

Donald Trump

U.S. Government

Hungary

🍿 this one wins but OP you have to keep it updated. reply here with other dramatic threads around reddit too 🍿

TAKEitTOrCIRCLEJERK

[deleted]

The next few days will be existential chaos, but within 72 hours they will have convinced themselves this is what they always wanted.


After a month or so they'll have completely memory-holed that it even happened.

weirdoldhobo1978

&gt; and they have proven any diplomatic option is untenable because they just ignore whatever treaty/deal you sign

Are they fucking serious? Does this mouth breather not remember conservatives cheering Trump when he unilaterally tore up the Iran Nuclear deal during his first administration?

NotAnAlienFromVenus

Give em 3 days to get their talking points and they will all have always supported this.

Shred_Kid

[Someone has unironically blamed Obama for this lmaoooo](https://www.reddit.com/r/Conservative/s/EOJTPUr6Vy). We live in a pisshead society

SheZowRaisedByWolves

Conservatives and GOP can get out of lines for only short period of time and will come back to suck Trump's dick for money. They'll be okay with US bombing Iran by Monday morning.

Pleasant-Ad887

r/Conservative is cheating at this point lmao

A_MASSIVE_PERVERT

&gt; A pretty well-executed ruse. Turns out when everyone reads your tweets you can fool a lot of people

This is the worst timeline lmao.

Teal_is_orange

I read a lot of support for the attack. No matter what he does, they will support no matter what.

LordDarthShader

Trump voters are looking like total idiots. What else is new? 

JetTheDawg

[This War Will Destabilize The Entire Mideast Region And Set Off A Global Shockwave Of Anti-Americanism vs. No It Won’t](https://theonion.com/this-war-will-destabilize-the-entire-mideast-region-and-1819594296/)

Mecha-Jesus

They’re already following the narrative. One user commented “ a few missiles and bomb prevented a terrorist state from getting nukes. I see this as a win”.

maximusbrown2809

Those idiots think we drop a bomb and that’s the end of it. 

The rationalizing they do, every. single. day. is otherworldly. 

Truly gargling the orange doofus’ balls 24/7, no matter what.

Sidney_Godsby

These fucking idiots are yelling at each other and trying to justify this by saying it’s not an act of war and that Trump has full authority to do this, without congressional approval. 

If Iran fucking bombed us in the same exact way, you sure as shit know they would all be calling it an act of war. 

These people are just so incredibly stupid. It’s terrifying how many of them are now in charge of our fate as a species.

qukab

Trump can kill its own people and those guys will cheer him on. When you are in cult, nothing your great leader does is a crime.

Urwake

To be clear, the entire Trump admin doesn't want to bail Europe out, but we are going to bomb Iran because Israel asked really nicely? 

I don't even believe these are real people anymore. Like genuinely the entire subreddit needs to be a psyop.

bobbymcpresscot

It's already happening in real time. You can see the sentiment become this has been a great move from Trump

Le_Champion

Maga Conservatives always blindly support their king.

Oceanbreeze871

I'd love to see the warmongers keep their word and deploy to the frontlines before anyone else

After-Bumblebee

Came across this gem: "There was also the earthquake near one of Iran's nuclear sites. It's possible it may have been a bomb test. I wouldn't be surprised if it was; and if it was, then we has no choice but to strike now instead of after the two weeks."

Like, is it theoretically possible? Yes. But if it was, wouldn't Israel and the US be screaming about this from the rooftops?  Also isn't testing a nuclear weapon kinda hard when your top scientists and military leaders are being killed before they can show up to work?

SnowingRain320

I monitor that sub a lot as my pulse on the right.

3 Weeks Ago - We voted for no new wars! Stop funding (((Israel))).  America First!

2 Weeks Ago - Why won't Iran make a deal with Trump? Are they stupid?

1 Week Ago - IDK, sounds like we might have to bomb Iran to teach them a lesson.

Tonight - KAW KAW Motherfuckers!  That is freedom making peace bombs in your face!  USA USA!  We won, now peace!

Tad0422

This is always going to be the same, they'll just fall in line like the npcs they are.

t850terminator

I thought we didnt want Kamala because we didnt want forever wars or inflation? 

Cause its only 6 months in and we are already bombing another country.

babypho

&gt;diplomatic option is untenable because they just ignore whatever treaty/deal you sign.
 
... they were following the agreement they made with Obama, until trump tore it up in 2017 and said "let's do the same thing but with my name on it" and they told trump to fuck off. They STILL kept to that agreement because multiple other nations signed it. **WE** are the assholes who ignore what treaty/deal is signed. Just like with NAFTA. Just like with the trade agreement trump signed with NA during his first term (that he called a POS). JUST LIKE EVERY FUCKING TRADE DEAL HE DESTROYED WITH TARIFFING THE ENTIRE WORLD.
 
Just amazing how fucking confidently fucking stupidly ignorant these dipshits are. Just armchairs secs of state being the dumbest mfers this side of the Atlantic. Fuck.

Bored_Amalgamation

Those who are complaining about Donald will be downvoted, removed and banned. Within an hour the sub will be back to normal with usual fellating of Donald.

Barack_Odrama_007

&gt; Trump is being strategically vague because...


Because he doesn't know what he's doing and is just jumping on whatever course of action feels good/he's sold on. I don't think the US has a plan for what to do next. Just roll the dice and see what happens.

Mysterious-Tax-7777

Just yesterday I wrote a comment saying tail was wagging the dog when it comes to US-Israel relationship and what happened afterwards further proved this point.

Comment about the Middle East's hatred for the US is mostly about Israel is right. The greatest destabilizing force of the region *is* Israel because of what they have done and things that have been done to keep them safe for decades. 

They've bombed 4 countries around them in the last year and invaded 3 of them, slaughtered tens of thousands of innocents, starved children and massacred help workers trying to save lives. And every time they faced consequences of their actions, they just doubled down on brutality.

People act as if Iran would have immediately launched nuclear weapons if they produced them. North Korea, perhaps the single most belligerent country on the planet, has nuclear weapons and all they have done is run their mouth. Because even they know that nukes can't be used without risking annihilation.

What nukes actually would've changed is they would've prevented Israel from being able to attack Iran whenever they wanted. The only reason for this war is that Israel's hegemony and future imperialistic plans were threatened and nothing more.

jay_alfred_prufrock

Looking at some of their profiles is incredibly funny

pawksvolts

soneforlife

It’s Insane that Trump has done an absolute speed run of Bush’s bs WMD campaign in a weeks time. Absolutely no evidence provided that Iran was ‘weeks away,’ other than Netanyahu, the same guy who has been saying they are ‘weeks away’ every month since the 90s. This is literally Iraq all over again, but with a county 2x as big and with a much more robust military. All these Conservative chuds moved the goalposts immediately, repeating the same dumb talking points their parents were using in 2003. Fuck these guys.

bob_scratchit

The top post there right now says “Peace through Strength” - it’s so on the nose for 1984’s “war is peace” slogan I cant even believe it.

Larry-Man

These people always freak out about "being brigaded" when during 2020/2021 you had people like Joe Rogan, Tim Poole, Elon Musk, etc. complaining about how ALL speech should be welcomed with conservative parroting that ALL views were welcome in the marketplace of ideas. Calling them hypocrites at this point is just redundant.

JohnnySack45

Man if only we had reached an agreement to limit their nuclear program like 10 years ago and followed through on it…maybe this whole mess could have been avoided. Oh well, who could have seen this coming! Hindsight 20/20 and all.

PositionNecessary292

In old enough to remember when like 65% of conservatives said they wouldn’t vote for Trump if he was convicted of his felonies…

Hello /u/bandi2289,

This community is focused on important or vital information and high-effort content. Please make sure your post follows the [rules](https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/about/rules/?utm_source=reddit&amp;utm_medium=usertext&amp;utm_name=ukraine&amp;utm_content=t5_2qqcn)

Want to support Ukraine? [Here's a list of charities by subject.](https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/v2ykdi/want_to_support_ukraine_heres_a_list_of_charities/?utm_medium=android_app&amp;utm_source=share)

[DO / DON'T](https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/t5okbs/welcome_to_rukraine_faq_do_dont_support_read/) - [Art Friday](https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/ufb64f/art_fridays_update/) - [Podcasts](https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/ttoidc/collection_of_podcasts_about_ukraine_updated/) - [Kyiv sunrise](https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/collection/3c65ab52-e87a-4217-ab30-e70a88c0a293/)


*I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/ukraine) if you have any questions or concerns.*

AutoModerator

TimelyAstronomer6494

The only question I have is

Kompromat 

or

Corruption

or

Corruption leading to Kompromat?

xesaie

"The Russians have made a very clear security **demand**"

"They have written their **demand** that Ukraine **should**"

...

"And the consequence of this refusal is that today the Russians are seeking to achieve by force of arms the security **demands** that they had previously sought to achieve through **negotiation**"

Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's not what I'd call negotiating.

StrangeSeasOfThought

Biscolino

pats_redit

Dumb people say dumb things, yet regardless of the number of times it’s spewed, it still is never anything but dumb.

DangleSnipeCely

This pig should be declared persona non grata in neighbouring countries so he can keep his bullshit to the poeple who elected him. 

Let him not forget Russia has aslo asked for the expansion of NATO to be rolled back, that means Hungary should just leave NATO if he find the demand to be reasonable.

Accurate-Yellow4332

Why is the EU still giving him money? Let that shithole rot. Hungary is the poorest country in the EU. It doesn't contribute anything to the block apart from Orban's filthy mouth. On the bright side, there are some signs that Poland is already throwing Hungary under the bus.

[https://twitter.com/\_JakubJanda/status/1551517064178925568](https://twitter.com/_JakubJanda/status/1551517064178925568)

Only reason why Nato weapons got anywhere near Ukraine is due to Russian aggression towards Ukraine. Orban is an enemy of the west with that mind set.

pes0001

He is a POS. 💩 Also ranted about race mixing in the speech. Never a good idea to go full Hitler in a speech but here we are.

ReditskiyTovarisch

&gt;They have written their demand that Ukraine should never be a member ofNATO, that Ukraine declares this, that NATO itself assures Russia ofthis, and that we undertake to never place weapons on the territory ofUkraine that could hit Russian territory.

Orban has brain worms. Why are the Russians always threatening that the rest of Europe will be next and they will destroy Warsaw and conquer all the way to Portugal? Seems sus if their concern is just their own safety.

Why did Putin say he had no issue with Finland joining NATO and took Russian soldiers away from the Finnish border after the Finns made steps to join?

Russia has made it very clear their ambitions are imperial in nature and not out of safety.

Mushroom_Tip

Typical ‘stop making me hit you’ from the abuser

Grimzod1971

Orban, how can you find the time to talk about things? When you are always on your knees with putin's dick in your mouth?

NeFShARk

What a liar. The reason the US cannot force Ukraine to give up NATO aspirations is that Ukrainians themselves have enshrined this and EU membership into their Constitution.

grundpup

In 1956 the ruzzians made some demands and then occupied Hungary. The Hungarians were very unhappy about it. Now that idiot of a prime-minister wants Ukraine to accept ruzzian demands. Really? Fuck you, Orban.

unknown_wtc

Look at this shitstain, Putin's cum hasn't even dried on his chin yet and he's already reading bullshit from the paper the Kremlin handed over to him. 

Fuck Orban, the people of Hungary must show this fuckface that Putin's bitch roleplay has gone too far. Unless they enjoy the taste of Ruzzian dick in their mouth, that is.

phoenixplum

The things Putin forces you to say to keep the gas flowing eh ?

*...the Russian army has asymmetric superiority...*

He means this:

[https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/w76f9a/have\_a\_look\_at\_this\_barrel\_from\_a\_russian\_bmp/](https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/w76f9a/have_a_look_at_this_barrel_from_a_russian_bmp/)

MultiplicityOne

Orban, Vucic, Erdogan. All autocrats. Like Putin.

Slight_Strawberry398

This guy is seriously a Prime Minister?  Does Hungary only require a 3rd grade education?  Good lord that logic and writing is atrocious!

1wutheringheights

This is a liar : 2 days before the war, nato said they will not take ukraine in nato to cool down and they propose the same neutrality as finland.

Putin invide to grab land and make ukrainians suffers for wanting to see in west direction, nothing morenothing less.

Gullenecro

Well this idiot proves to anyone that Trump is russian asset, becuse everyone pro russian seems to want him to be in power. 

Anyway this is same idiotic shit russia was shouting before the war, nothing new. 

And ofcourse it's NATOs fault, because NATO is big empire, slowly occupying member states?/s No.. it's a fucking defence alliance, againts agressors. NATO gaining members will only effect negatively those countries who want to invade. It's not like NATOs end goal is to conquer russia... And every member of NATO has joined willingly with support of other members... 

So tired of this same bad faith argument that sadly millions of people believe.

Слава Україні!

notmyfirstrodeo2

Has anyone told him Ukraine is not a Russian puppet state? It is a sovereign nation free to make its own decisions- whatever they may be.

ArgentumAg47

This is so funny because Órban himself because Hungary is a NATO member and could veto Ukrainian application to NATO because joining requires unanimous acceptance of all its members.  


&gt;It is absolutely clear that the war cannot be won like this. The Ukrainians will never win a war against Russia with American training and weapons. This is simply because the Russian army has asymmetric superiority. 

Lol, I can't breathe.  


&gt;The second fact that we must face up to is that the sanctions are not destabilising Moscow.

Takes time dumbass.

And those demands? Lets' look at two of them.  


&gt;  
Article 4  
The Russian Federation and all the Parties that were member States of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization as of 27 May 1997, respectively, shall not deploy military forces and weaponry on the territory of any of the other States in Europe in addition to the forces stationed on that territory as of 27 May 1997. With the consent of all the Parties such deployments can take place in exceptional cases to eliminate a threat to security of one or more Parties.  
&gt;  
&gt;  
Article 5  
The Parties shall not deploy land-based intermediate- and short-range missiles in areas allowing them to reach the territory of the other Parties.

  
Article 4 means removing all NATO forces/material from:  


* Estonia
* Lithuania
* Latvia
* Poland

and also...  


* **Hungary**
* Czechia
* Slovakia
* Slovenia
* Romania
* Croatia
* Bulgaria
* Albania  


... and to station any forces/material or do any joint training exercises in any of those countries Russia must say '*ok*', lol.  


Article 5 is laughable too because Russia would NEVER remove it's own missiles from Kaliningrad.

The Kremlin knew this "deal" would never be accepted. This was basically nothing more than theatrics before the invasion and could be used as justification domestically.

IrdniX

The idiot doesn't even acknowledge the invasion started in 2014, what a joke. Time for him to go before he screws his own people over (more).

Chris_Burns

Time to kick hungary out of NATO and EU. Fucking Putins dicksucker.

gwaeth

Once again, shame on you, Hungarians, that have re-confirmed this opportunist populist in power. If you agree with your democratically elected leader you should ask to get out of NATO, so ruzzia Will invade you and you shall taste their medicine. I don't think you Will like It.

calcifer73

eastern_garbage_bin

Orban is playing both sides, He's a cunt.

GerBonk

The Russians have made a very clear security demand, and have even   
written it down in a way that is rare in diplomacy, sending it to the   
Americans and NATO.

\-----------------------------------------------------

oh ... sorry we did not know the russians made a demand!

go f yourself ivan!

teacherbooboo

Dear Prime Minister Orban:  Considering your disdain for the evil West both NATO and the European Union are eagerly awaiting your country’s resignation letter from both organizations.  On your way out don’t let the back porch screen door hit you where the Good Lord split you!

ThickWing

If there was any doubts about Orban, Trump and Merkel, here it is.

SkegSurf

We never should have given those ungrateful jerks those Crown Jewels back.

superanth

What is it with Putin stans today? They are all going full tankie. 

Orban is a crackhead. He is never going to win this one.

Time to kick Hungary out of NATO.

And Orban's logic is basically: "The bank robber held out his gun. The teller refused to hand over the cash. Therefore the robber had NO CHOICE but to shoot!"

SteadfastEnd

For some reason he thinks that his country cannot get slapped around for this kind of nonsense. EU and NATO should really have some rules about removing "allies" who openly support terrorism and genocide, from their respective organizations.

The fact that ruzzia is still on the UN security council, and has veto power, does not leave a whole lot of trust in the bureaucrats and their ability to actually make reasonable decisions.

vladko44

School principal:
Mr Biden, of course Young Putin here attacked your son, but if he had only agreed to give Young Putin here his lunch box, as he was demanding so politely, none of this would have happened. It is really your fault for teaching your son such naive courage…

Lostbutnotafraid

Damn last time this man cost me a 3 day ban. 
Think about it. Many of us pay taxes to fund Hungary. EU is weak ass sauce. Result; Conservative antidemocratic movements in Hangary buy also wrong way in Poland.
We need reforms in EU.

krummedude

Time to throw Hungary out of the union; sorry guys I like Hungary people and culture but if you are going to have a dictator or someone who supports dictators as your government then don't expect solidarity, get your democracy straightened out

quixotichance

STFU Viktor. Ukraine is free and must remain free. If you like Ruzzia,  move there!

Infinite-Outcome-591

1. If Russia takes Ukraine they'll still be bordered with NATO. 
2. Ukraine is its own country free to make its own decisions
3. Russia is killing too many civilians for this to be a 'security operation'. 
4. Russia has changed their apparent invasion reasons several times, from 'Denazifying Ukraine' (why not work with UA govt?), 'National security', to 'Historically Ukraine always belonged to Russia' (untrue). I wonder if the oil reserves found in Ukraine threatened to undercut Russias oil pipeline monopoly. 
5. Russia invaded Crimea in 2014 - they already don't follow international conventions.

RogueEagle2

@ Orban, and with this attitude of yours, you could be the next instigator and reason for your countries downfall. Not NATO. So think before you fart shit.

I'm curious, how does he feel about Russia partaking and assisting the war for the last several years? If it was only based on security guarantee, why would Russia be helping them? Oh right, it is because they want more than just a guarantee. 

Lh and side note, how does it explain crimea?

KazeNilrem

How to spot those who took some money from putin? They do their best so that Ukraine won't get military support. How to spot those who took a lot of money from putin? They say that West is to blame for the war.

Azimuthus

Orban has always been a piece of shit and always will be one. Such statements from him are not a surprise, practically reading off propaganda text from the kremlin.

Guess the older generation of Hungarians like him enough that they kept voting for him.

Once Russia loses the war, how fast will Orban change his tune? Maybe time for another go at a change like in 1956 but with actual success?

thewalkmanblog

Orban = sith lord.

Sith lord gonna sith.

Why is there a war in Ukraine ?  Maybe because Russia invaded the sovereign territory of a peaceful nation? It simply doesn't matter what poorly constructed lies they use to justify the invasion.  They invaded now Russia will suffer and become a pariah terrorist state.Too bad so sad here's a box of tissue ..stfu.

is he any good to hungary that hungarians keep him, or are hungarians exactly like serbs so they all agree with this sucker

Radiant-Ad-3250

Strange.. if sanctions are not biting why does every Putin’s puppet tell that should be removed because useless?

TightlyProfessional

Why all the wanking about NATO. NATO was never in a million years going to attack Russia first. Everyone knows this and yet this notion keeps flying about. Plus, Finland just joined NATO and Russia said they are cool with this. Soooo, why is Ukraine different now? The "NATO at our border" argument is dead and Orbán can roll it up and smoke it!

Sorry for rant

Individual_Break6067

Is this the same asymmetric superiority that makes them put weapons, ammo, helicopters uav's and airplanes on the same tarmac to be repeatedly destroyed by Ukraine over 30 times now? Or is it the asymmetrical superiority to get thier soldiers to disturb, dig up and aerosolize nuclear polluted dirt and force thier soldiers to live in it until they all die of radiation poisoning? That asymmetrical superiority?

After Ukrain won the war with Russia, EU and NATO should drop Ungaria and denazify all levels of leadership of that country. Then do a reset and let it back in the EU an NATO with limited voting rights. I think Ukrain can help there quite well.

Incredible_GreatRay

He is partly correct. Russia is better at infiltrating foreign governments than just about everyone. And infiltrating just about every organization in the world that sounds progressive and benevolent.

js1138-2

Orban is a Putin butt-boy and stays in office through election fraud.

ojioni

All this was said with his tongue in putler’s ass. That’s why it sounds like bullshit.

ReikoReikoku

This guy is dreaming of restoring the Hungarian Empire, a dream that is shared by many Hungarians. Source: me. 

He probably has a deal with Putler to retake the former lands from before WW I. 

His stupidity: Putler is never going to uphold that deal. Putler wants the Soviet Union empire including the former satellites, and would take even more if he could

Accurate_Pie_8630

This is the nonsensical WMD strawman argument all over again.

This is about greed and control over the EU energy market.

Russia wants the gas deposits in Crimea and Donbas. It's just that simple. If they can push Ukraine off them, dig in, and hold sham referendums they suspect that EU will eventually cave and purchase gas from them again.

No_Sheepherder7447

It’s about time Orban had a reminder. He should visit Budapest’s House of Terror. 

From Wikipedia: The House of Terror is a museum located at Andrássy út 60 in Budapest, Hungary. It contains exhibits related to the fascist and communist regimes in 20th-century Hungary and is also a memorial to the victims of these regimes, including those detained, interrogated, tortured or killed in the building. The museum opened on 24 February 2002 [Note the interesting date].

Brave_Beo

Hungarian people is responsible for electing idiot.

angstdreamer

So….if For example, Austria invades Hungary, then it would be Hungary’s fault. Makes sense.

kiwijim

"The thug wanted your lunchbox, but because you did not want to give it, very unfortunately, the thug had to punch you in the face. It could have been avoided, but you gave the thug no choice. It is very unfortunate. You are the one to blame here, the thug just wanted peace (and your lunchbox)."

How are Hungarians not embarrassed enough to get rid of this tool. Shame on Hungary.

civilitarygaming

Well...

we all know that's just a lame excuse by Russia. They use whatever excuse they think will get any traction with the target audience. 

What Russia wants is to make Ukraine into Belarus 2, with their fully controlled puppet at the helm.

NotAHamsterAtAll

Curlrider

Discussions between US President Trump and Ukrainian President Zelenskyy regarding military support and peace negotiations amid ongoing conflict.

Trump and Ukraine War Negotiations

Why This Matters

Public Sentiment Summary

Highlighted Comments

Parties Involved

What the people want